if what started as vawl were the basis (in mn) for the protected person laws (and as far as i can see that’s the case) then expanding them to include men over 59 (don’t quote me) (and children) seems to leave one group of the excluded unable to be protected people. I think i noted that may cover if one decides (or is born that way. Logicly speaking unlikely 100% of time I doubt energy GLBT person is as I’ve read enough and had enough friends to know otherwise) unless they declare themselves gay lesbian or trans.
worse yet the protections aren’t based on any previous standard of law. In reading the packets served by sheriff I to my horror find that the language is “a threat is anything that makes the PROTECTED PARTY feel threatened” the main issue other than the aggressive language ignoring not guilty till proven otherwise…
the main issue is the feels. or in internet “teh feels”. While ones feelings are important we’ve known for a long time they aren’t good basis for legal actions and especially on the criminal side of legal. yes i know this is civil but if it passes the consequences quickly become otherwise. why don’t i state that as might?
i cant control their feelings.
i also have watched mom and dad refuse to leave the room, refuse to let me mourn with Clyde in peace, refused to stop poking me after losing a pet of 12 years or so. then turn from provoking to literally saying “im tired of this lets call the police” then report that the “feel threatened” yeah its their house. its also the reason the situation happened in their failure to care for it or admit what was found and that’s all beside the point of “tired of this” turns into “feeling threatened”
as far as i know, standards of culpability in the past have been “average rational adult” on the civil side, and jury of multiple citizen/peers on the criminal side. im not a law expert but its pretty clear / probably not a good thing if concepts like even when no intent to harm or lie is present, emotions themselves aren’t always reliable. its not hard to deduce that the reasons we had other standards were people in the past understood one persons subjective measure is not just cause to enact restrictions on another (at least if that’s the only requirement/cause/claim)
I also state to my horror because I’ve been hearing for 2 years things like
“im going to make you suffer for taking my time with my husband”
“i own you”
“i don’t own you but i bought you” (when i said he said…note the answer doesn’t address what was said, just repeats it and modifies it) they play mind rape on extreme levels, like after i change a flat i hear for 2 weeks i don’t know how to change a tire so i must be stuck at my apartment… changed it the first day. drove on spare to tire place, heard that multiple times then denies he said it later. I mentioned that the only hard part (never had a flat before) was finding the jack point with out the owners manual. 9 months later right after denying that’s ever said i fianly get a non moldy car… a month after that he separately delivers the owners manual. yes there’s a chance this wasn’t intended. i don’t have the time or sanity to type every example. i didn’t jump to conclusions. layers? tells me its too expensive for you to drive down to maple grove, the budget was set with out the mold car, i redid the estimate for “if i can even do it here”, “this is the most expensive and dangerous”, “”here’s what i need”, “here’s why its if”the budget was never met, when i earned 2k they cut the budget they gave to make sure i didn’t meet. all while ignoring u cant peace meal a remediation because u are dealing with something u either ddry out completely or the problem grows back . gov sites say after water is present mold growth becoming problematic is certain if not dried out in 48 hrs. so any interruption is bad, but whats insane is they were holding and still are most of my stuff including all kitchen utensiles/stuff. … how do you ever expect that to work when dehumidifiers only work 45degrees and higher, you aren’t meeting the budge, its winter and the fucking thing is needed for every meal?! which was also it own hazard because especially the sun roof lip liked to hold onto anything sprayed and on turning corners went for my head. high risk of stuff you don’t want in your eye….. for 9 months while im saying “THIS IS NOT OK” while im going hungry and every month having to prove where the money went, sending said proof, never acknowledged they got it…. repeat. intermittently they throw in that i must be spending it all on drugs… they know otherwise because every month they needed to see where the money went. they would give a random amount and having said too expensive to drive down (for me) start further complicating my ability to even track what they give by driving up cash after an arbitrary deposit.
they had their house remediated by a pro like Nov 2018. im still dealing with not having my things. knowoing the high value stuff went from their garage to their moldy basement then back to garage on remediation… ill fix his wagon, or grow him stuff some mold. even sans mold growth most of my high value things are damaged by humidity. I’ve several times spent 40 USD plus on something like lbs of desiciant beads and or non toxic versions , just to not be allowed near the stuff. then i get my mom employing a form of gaslighting they both like… explain to me like im a toddler, how does moisture damage things or one control moisture. so i jump that insane game and before hanging up and blocking my number “ok ill put a humidifier in the garage”. marlene wuethrich cnp with children’s St Paul. masters in nursing…. no that’s not an honest mistake and it wasn’t the first time either needed a dehumidifers function detailed. here’s a pic i get sent day i get out of mental ward indicating they knew before… whats worse is the dehumidifier present? while i was trying to figure out wtf why am i bleeding at the last apt. I BOUGHT THE DAMN THING. there it is being used after their remediation like 14 months ago.
I now after a year in empty apt, with 15 days left to find a place and get stuff off floor in bins. with Clyde rabbit in the freezer, have to go to court tomorrow because they both filed for orders of protection over stuff said while being made to go hungry and or while they ignore every basic need after having created the need by taking away my stuff.
I’ve tried with what time I’ve had to head this off. The apt they picked has been absolutely nuts. i told them before signing the lease what the intended use for the garage was (original plan was i get the priviliage of cleaning and disinfecting my stuff from their mold and their decision where it went while at their house before and after remediation.) yet the apt starts busting into garage and wants to evict garage. I manage with help of homeline to not only stop that but reach an out of lease penalty free , guaranteed neutral reference. well my parents holding all i could sell to afford getting out decide to just stop answering or acknowledging this issue when they do.
so time i had during that and driving to get every meal and bleeding due to this (car bellow) was limited. then the periods of hunger 2x 4 days and 2x 3days being the longest don’t help anything either. it throws off body rhythm and everything else one needs to be effective or efficient let alone healthy. but i still managed to call the mn bar association hotline. there I was given the advice, you need to communicate your parents are unreliable witnesses. seemed to make a lot of sense. cause in my constructs, its obvious people sometimes lie, (this is a set of things people do not a comment on likelyhood at any moment or how i see the world) so clearly the police would have to know this… and when the adviser told me the language to use it seemed like finaly i might be safe for a moment. I knew i had also managed recordings that may or may not constitute absolute proof the police reports were fraudulent (im not a lawyer or a judge so i won’t claim to know for sure) but the cops didn’t want to hear it at all. I was told (as accurately as memory allows but it was traumatic so..)
I thought i had this in the bag and peace or less terror might be approaching.
The meeting started with one officer. shortly after another walks in and i hear “im hear so you can be assured you aren’t getting the opinion of just one cop”… maybe… but the 2 on 1 game has been pretty common a theme in this so far. I don’t want/dont care either was female. I used to consider myself a male feminist. I truly believe either sex is capable of anything as far as thought goes and even in physical strength i don’t think its black and white enough to say women cant be a firefighter or anything for that matter because life is more shades of gray. the strongest woman vs the strongest man, sans injected hormones, she’s probably going to lose the arm wresling contest or lifting, w/e but a female body builder vs male accountant? on average with non athletes maybe 10 to 30 percent strength difference? some instances where two spouses of opposite gender might see a stronger female cant be ruled out either… unless you are writing the laws (apparently) so with two female officer present i then discover.
the “cop(s) didn’t want to hear it at all. I was told (as accurately as memory allows but it was traumatic so..)
“if we put unreliable witness on record the department might be liable”
i assume for the earlier actions. I was then also told it doesn’t matter if they opened mail addressed to me because it went to their house. it doesn’t matter they removed a check from that mail, endorsed my name without my permission or knowledge and i knew it was time to leave hearing “and its not illegal to say you own someone”
i should look it up but I’ve heard sometimes funding from federal sources(refered to as “Grants”) is based on how many reported crimes of a said category are “busted” Ive seen several times that this is true of drug busts, im pretty sure I’ve seen it mentioned with some states fishing to catch sex offenders while also modifying the laws to lower the standards to find one guilty.
the other issue that’s related is budgets are likely controlled largely by public opinion and or pressures on law makers. If one is willing to expand by either selective enforcement, refusal to add evidence to the record and or lowering previously set standards to get numbers and report numbers for funding from fed sources and approval of community…. it logicly follows that not all crimes or criminals are as easy to catch and some of the bigger more abhorent crimes might not get the investigations or presuites because the low hanging fruit is likely to produce more numbers.
when i saw this the theory was over sex offenders. in some states they have changed the requirements of what constitutes the crime to allow officers posing as teens to not only contact adults online but the they target males and the laws are so poorly written there are instances where fake teen repeatedly reinaties contact when the adult tried to break it off or went silent for long periods.
now the issue isn’t black and white… no adults of either gender should be trying to get with teens. at the same time teens aren’t kids and the statutes originally knew that forcing sex with a prebubesent was different than a teen or fake teen seeking communication with an adult regardless of the nature… but as to context above… If targeting a group after changing the requirements makes the department money and reports win public favor the problem becomes they are likely to focus on that and then who’s concerned at all about the hard to prove report that a female is doing things to a toddler? that’s not to say i wouldn’t be delt with but if the mo/daily task set, resources and procedure is bending/morphing to image based policing logic dictates that gaps form and victims are created, either by inattention or perhaps explicit failure to … see above. image based policing might not be all bad but compared the standards in the past seems to carry a lot of risk to people.
If the cops can selectively acknowledge crimes or documenting details there are still other routes but it requires a lot of time and money which is not something every individual has.
look at the terpin family. one of group whom the media referees to as children was a 27 year old male.
I briefly noticed (but haven’t looked into ) California had legislation tiled “abuse of dependent adults” , judging by the name that seems like a pretty good idea in a modern world. im not sure if the title is misleading and language is targeted to demographics but without targeting it would seem to offer everyone the protections some lack in Minnesota.
Even after telling the police in maple grove that my mail is being opened and my sigiture is being forged even on a check from my mail (one that i know of) even after the well im fucked conclusion of that meeting I described above… while hearing things like “i own you” from my parents im hearing some of the officers “deflect from tough spots with “why cant you manage your own finances” this is terrifying. there’s been no proof or even ability for me to show it as far as that path is concerned. only the word of my parents has created this.
I never even intended to move out of my parents when i went to the hotel. I left because a few days before my mom had a surgery she’s screaming im delusional and following me around. I suggested to my dad maybe a stay at a hotel helps her recover.
when I got to the hotel 16 mo of bleeding ended. 3 days of eye corner happened after i went back to clone one laptop drive to a larger new laptop drive (my workstation pc in their basement had software i paid for long ago for cloning)
when i ended up moving back in with them after 10 years of aptarments and or dorm with my parents being permantn address and having key and or garage code…. my mom explicitly stated im your landlord now. the gaslighting over their mold issue was getting extream. but more importantly they demanded computer support and had me preform upgrades on their computers. both of which i built (media center pc and desktop in the basement) the desktop had drives storing over a decade of family memories. drives approaching 10 years old themselves. I replaced them with two new drives in raid 0. the os is on a solid state drive for speed raid 0 allows either spinning disk/normal drive to fail with out the failure wiping out the memories (its one part to protecting against data loss… corruption and or viruses that delete and or encrypt, power surges wiping out both.. complex issue) I was also told to improve wifi coverage upstairs and implemented a ethernet over powerline extender and a wifi repeater set to ap mode so the internet came over powerline and fed the upstairs access point a wired connection. a few more config options made it mostly transparent.
one of the ways i know my mom is as messed up as my dad is she took one of the parts to that system. I’ve seen her poisoning family, they call friends and tell them all sorts of things; but my dad later mentioned “you took the plugin thing from the wall” i had not and the stuff i had was extremely limited so it was easy for me to search and confirm i hadn’t mistakenly done it either. like 2 months ago i get a random assortment of some of my things dropped off and on opening a box… yeah there it is. this is a form of triangulation. ie you create distrust or chaos between other people to get your way. i digress
what i was trying to get at is between what my mom said about being my landlord and requesting services from someone with a history of preforming them for pay. probably constitutes a legal tenancy.
yet when i left for the hotel they decide to ban me and i get a few officers telling me i cant go in cause i don’t live there.
if you put two parties claiming to own another in control of all their assets and don’t want to even look into reports of mail and check fraud (control of more of their assets and commanding their time)
my parents picked an apt claiming i wouldn’t look. in reality i had a phone that wouldn’t take a charge half the time. had looked at quite a few places and send pictures every time that lie is repeated to this day. but another game is never acknowledge anything and or layer the false claims as ways to avoid letting anything else be discussed. do so while ignoring
“hey for time keeping/commitment keeping, liability/self-protection/adult function/taxes etc i need a desk(had 4), my kitchen stuff(i cook very well and understand things like controlling bp with food), a place to store documents, a printer (i own like 3) “
I’ve said this on the phone, I’ve said it in person, I’ve texted it I’ve emailed it… def ears/never acknowledged. the budget not being met and several times going hungry kinda conditions one not to want to go buy xyz knowing if i buy dishes i might not have anything to put on them. and making lists/storing them well, as is i eat on my bed or have to take laptop off of one of 3 walmart folding tables. 2 appear to be growing stuff after i set things recovered on them.
all of that goes on def ears. or i hear it deflected to you don’t have to be in empty apt, u just had to go tot hat store and write down hat you wanted for a couch and call us. name of store not repeated… some stuff in storage garage, i couldn’t get the address for it for 11 mo, got it last month…have to be out in 15 days. uh… even worse a month before move in they acknowledged the garage they picked requires more than one person to move then used that to poison a relationship.
trhey will sit there talking about what i say while im extremely scared for my life and while they control every aspect of what i have physically, how many tasks are on my plate what i can eat, what they will even acknowledge what constitutes health for me.
my dad has said “going to the doctor is all that health is” while sitting in his house eating home cooked meals and im either going hungry or limited to quick trip in periods I’ve been with out car.
3 years mal nurished in total . about 30 days hungry last year. times the amount given didn’t meet estimate and i in good faith kept going i end up hungry, i notified before here’s where my account is often with a screen shot. no response. one time 2 days in he answers and says ill cover it tomorrow… they seem to explicitly not confirm the “I CANT EAT ” aspect. or my mom once sadisticly says i should go to food shelf… for what ingrediance i cant cook because you took my kitchen and are forcing this shit?”
im not so sure the 27 year old turpin male would have gotten anything but the street and or mental ward in in.
i have 15 days left till im supposed to be out of this apt. no brainer after mentioned above that they weren’t going to allow month to month or renew. i spent 7 days this month no car due to a break down.
day after i got a rental and repeating all of that “desk , printer” in context of search for apt “explicitly stating “this timeline is nuts my health is failing idk if i can do it and you are still making it require contacting you, Clyde is still in the freezer” only to hear “i got you a rental” and all the ootehr defelction… im not worried about a week or a month, my time diet assets, ability to have outside social connections, problems and sanity have been under attack /controled for 3 years due to a mistake they made finishing their house when i was 14
but day after rental i get a intercom buzz… mubled inaduble when ask who’s there. never buzzed him in… knock knock on apt door. it wasn’t a who’s there joke…
it was class country sherif to serve me to OCP summonses from mom and dad, on the 13th, with the court on the 18th. yeah great now im looking at eviction when im not out on time after 2 years i consider outright audition by “protected people”
it puts the lotion on its skin, or the officer will haul his ass from homeless shelter to jail again.
my parents have both said the equilventlts of “we can say or do anything we want but how dare you be disrespectful” or outright ” this is deserved because you were disrespectful” you claim to fucking own me and want to talk disrespect?! one day my dad went from “get over it, are you gonna cry about it, to common John you know you love me, SAY IT”
do you know the horror when that is your experience and 16 years of what you worked for let alone what was given or considered yours is on the line, when you are probably facing eviction from the cell you were forced into and almost every moment controlled basics ignored till you are scared screaming,…cops don’t care…
then you read a packet that says “threat is defined as anything that makes the PROTECTED PARTY feel threatened”
two ocp and an eviction. diet so bad i could end up blasting my guts into the toilet or lose the one car key in a sea of clothes and not make 915 am court an hr and a half or more away. i need to start calling law offices but i also need to drive to get lunch. my sleep is all over… the weekend existing between those days made it unreasonable even if the move out and lack of car weren’t a thing.
more unreasonable is food affects mood, energy levels concentration and cognition in general. diet is also known to play a huge factor in what makes you sick/immune function and what age you are likely to get what disease… ultimately what kills you. 3 years of poor to no is statistically relevant/ likely a factor in how long i live. Now im not only looking at homelessness but the inability to rent. most rental companies do a back ground check, two ocp orders… nope. plus a previous eviction? good thing employers also frequently….. and credit score…
i have never been evicted and before this started had no dv/indication of violence or mental health issues.
but im sure words said while im scared for my life and how that allegedly makes them feel…
if its not illegal to say you own someone why look into it? eating couldn’t have anything to do with controlling money in ones name? surely mail and check fraud wouldn’t be relevant?
idk why i try.
how likely am i to fight this from the street? why should i have to? or more so, tenancy or legal evictions don’t matter, check fraud doesn’t matter, destruction of my property doesn’t matter, holding my property/assets doesn’t matter, pretending to lose the remains of a pet doesn’t matter, claiming to own me doesn’t matter, enforcing it doesn’t matter, my mom trying to push me over a railing and reporting it other way around doesn’t matter, slaming a car door on me when i asked her to back off according to one officer “is not assault or battery” /doesnt matter.
the concepts of lever and fulcrum don’t matter (when my back is to the railing)
words said while scared for my life… if threatening… can be used to further ensure there’s no life left to look forward to after years of being starved and told im owned. great…
Disclaimer: what you are about to read (minus the official communications) is my personal opinion and or personal account/review of my experience with this company. I have no doubt (from what ive seen so far) this will likely trigger a C&D letter.
About 7 months ago the staff at Park Place Estates began entering a garage I rent with the apt. The issue was they entered repeatedly with no attempt to notify. At lease signing I had discused the intended use of the garage space. I had just escaped a major mold issue and intended to use the garage to clean up my stuff.
Their excesses for entering were smelling bleach (which only was used once) and then Ozone (which they admit they use in smoker units aka inside the actual building but me using it in the garage was cause to enter sans notification)